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TheJet
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Eley or Lapua ?

Seems like the "main event" in the USA has been cleaned up by Lapua ammunition 1-2-3-4 all shooting Lapua.
Congratulations to Donald Hamlin for winning it.

What does this mean to us here in Australia?

BigStick
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Good

Good question Ben. I haven't tryed Lapua myself. Any tips?
Kim

TheJet
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Hard to find

Well I bought some but I really haven't had much success with it as it obviously didn't suit my barrel.
But to be fair I have only ever tried one lot but I am going to try more test lots but where do you buy the stuff?

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wally289
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can find but don't like the price

would it not be more of a question of who can afford to use the stuff it’s beyond me and my budget I have seen the packet price of it and ELEY IS WAY CHEAPER IN COMPARISON and works for me or as good as I can shoot

Wombat

wally289
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Lapua verse Eley

Below is the results for the U S A event all won by LAPUA ammo would this have been the same result given that if they were all using ELEY ammo at half the cost to me if you look at the scores from this event and previous events much the same and were all using ELEY seems like woman’s shoes in and out of fashion ??????????????
Seems like the "main event" in the USA has been cleaned up by Lapua ammunition 1-2-3-4 all shooting Lapua.
Congratulations to Donald Hamlin for winning it.

Wombat

TheJet
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Wally

First Lapua ammo is cheaper than Eley match if using centre x
Secondly yes it is a big deal mate, as Lapua won against probably 80 % of shooters using Eley
So no nothing like womens shoes.
Hope this answers your many question marks

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Knighty
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Lapua and Eley

This is an interesting discussion. I have never found any Lapua that worked for me and the price of the up market stuff has always been too dear. Eley goes OK but the flyers stuff you up quickly. Too many just drop straight down indicating a "bad bullet".
R50 has proved to be the most consistent and reliable ammo for me. The price is up there but reliability is the name of the game i believe.

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Bill Collaros
Stiller

Yep and maybe we should all sell our rifles and get Stillers/Holeshot Trident or 2500X, interesting times competition is good it makes for better products at better prices usually...

Bill Collaros
Sydney - Australia
"Shoot to Thrill"

wally289
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The Eley Debate

As I have used LAPUA centre x and as like others I find it will not shoot in my rifle and have tried some of the other offerings having payed the price I found it was no better if not worse than the ELEY reason I stated what I did and I did look things up most of the shooters that won or have won in the past I found them to be using ELEY thus raising the question if the current winners were using ELEY instead of the LAPUA would the results have been the same I have not tried the R50 but have herd good reports also as others have been saying if you think it’s got an advantage and in your mind that's what you believe then you have to go with it
Wally

Wombat

BRT
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Eley or Lapua?

Yep, Fairly sure most of the winning at the recent World Cup in Slovenia was Lapua also.
International Sporter was Tapani Nousiainen (Fin) using Lapua I am sure
Light Varmint was Stuart Elliott (AUS) using Lapua (Midas plus)
Heavy Varmint was Luc Brouquier (FRA) I am sure was using Lapua but cannot confirm yet
Two Gun was Stuart Elliott (AUS) using Lapua (Midas plus)
Three Gun was Maurice Hassard (UK), I am not sure but he did tell me that he was glad he had won all this Lapua as he uses it. Whether that meant he used it in this championships I cannot confirm,

Annie & Stuart Elliott
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TheJet
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Thanks Stuart

I thought that you and Annie were shooting Lapua with great success as is Billy Simmons.
Correct me someone if I am wrong but also Sully has been doing ok with it as well.
Though all of the above shoot pretty well with just about anything.

Is there anyone else with anything to say about this subject as I am sure that it doesn't all go Lapua way ?

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Bill Collaros
Eley

Some very good Eley results recently via Mick Truscott, Caden Bardel and Robin Cox, i think Peter used RWS in Sydney. Looking forward to current Eley shipment in coming weeks...Competition is a good thing for all shooters it should reflect in better ammo and hopefully balanced prices...

Bill Collaros
Sydney - Australia
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spi200
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Ammo Choice

RWS and Lapua now dominates at our club (WSRC), has been interesting to see Lapua making a return but nothing more would please me to see Eley get back to where they were 10 years ago. As Bill says the shooters would benefit from having more competition in both ammo availability and price.

Dave

Bill Collaros
Backing up Robin and Cadens recent successes...

Team Eley Shooter Brett Wilson just added another great win taking out the IRB @ Coffs....

Bill Collaros
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Morgo
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I use both

I have batch tested some eley match that shoots just as good as the Midas plus I have been using for the last year , I find in my rifle the eley is less effected by the wind and temperature, the Midas starts to fly around at around 25deg , this is in my rifle I’m sure everyone’s is different

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TheJet
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Professional Shooters League USA

1 Lapua
2 Eley
3 Lapua
4 Lapua
5 Lapua
6 Eley
7 Lapua
8 Lapua
9 Eley
10 Eley
This is an indoor match set in a chicken shed but a real test of rifle and ammo
Interesting outcome as majority of shooters using Eley

Barry Hilzinger told me years ago that the heat affects the Lapua more than Eley as well but pretty sure it was as hot as hell in the World Cup that Stuart was talking about.
Still don't have a good source for Lapua but got to try some

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Bill Collaros
Benny

Do u think it relates if we have different batches of both ammo here ?

Brett Wilson won our equivalent HV Match with Eley recently but even then that was some older batches we are yet to try (in a match) any of this years and in late January there is new shipments coming probably of both brands.

Bottom line try and buy what suits your rifle not someones on the other side of the world.

Just saying....

Bill Collaros
Sydney - Australia
"Shoot to Thrill"

TheJet
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Bill I wouldn't expect you to

Bill I wouldn't expect you to not push the Eley cart as you are sponsored by them
But your argument is floored.
All our rifles lets face it, all come the other side of the world ,namely the USA
The boys from the USA are swinging to Lapua in large numbers as it is doing the winning.
Digs and myself have in fact tested the new Eley ammo in Dan Killoughs test tunnel but both chose last years stuff

After shooting with those blokes in the USA we really have nothin on how well they shoot and is a whole other level over there.
Whilst, Stuart and Annie Elliott, Sully ,Billy Simmons and Bec are all shooting Lapua it is hardly what is happening on the other side of the world.
As these are all skilled excellent shooters as their records show shooting with us all the time.
All of these shooters can buy what they want, though Bec is sponsored and choose Lapua.

I shoot Eley myself but would love to try some Lapua as well so in context, I am not saying that Eley is rubbish but not the only choice.
Just amazed at the shift that is presently happening in the powerhouse of benchrest shooting the USA.
Hence the post.
Doesn't matter a hoot what country the good ammo is shot in, its good ammo if your gun will shoot it and worth giving it a go.

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Bill Collaros
All good Benny

My point was it really does depend on what batches are available in any given country at the time.

Agree with most of the other stuff you said not trying to be Kaotic or anything just an opinion.

Bill Collaros
Sydney - Australia
"Shoot to Thrill"

TheJet
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Its all good

No worries we must try everything we can get our hands on in this game
Never know maybe there is the perfect batch at the local gunshop for your rifle
Like the bloke (Rob)? from Mackay that shot that 250.23 with Chris Parrys great gun
With a brick of ammo he bought on the way to the range.

Love these kind of stories

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TheJet
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Midas +

Tried some Midas + on my three lug Turbo today it shot really well
Also tried the Eley 1080 I shot at Warwick a couple of months ago
Seems to like shooting either as well as each other.

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BigStick
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Interesting Ben (1080)

Ben
I just parted with some money and now have a brick or two of 1080 that tested ok in both of my guns. I was waiting for the wonder ammo on the mystery ship but it kept getting postponed. For those who wait I hope you can recommend some good ammo for me.

Dig
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Ammo test

Just completed a test of 13 batches of Eley. 6 lots of Tenex and 7 of Match. All the Match and 4 of the Tenex were 2016 and 2 lots of Tenex were 2017.
None shot as well as my 2014 ammo but I've ordered a brick of Match and Tenex which showed some promise. Speeds were 1074 & 1077 and both 2016 stuff.
Interestingly myEley showed these not to be the best of the batches tested. Just goes to show that you have to test in your own rifle and not necessarily rely on marketing hype to pick your ammo

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Matt Pedrana
Eley / Lapua Ammo for Best Results

I purchased the last bricks of the Eley Match 1074 from SISC after trying on their test range. Shot by far the smallest groups. Was running out, so again tested their limited available stock a few weeks ago and the Match 1077 worked equally well in my rifle (Copperhead). Interesting they had consecutive batch numbers.

It absolutely doesn't mean it will work in your rifle.

Moral of the story, don't buy ammo blind. Test before you invest and avoid the build up of expensive rubbish in your ammo store.

Therefore, the discussion about BEST ammo by manufacturer is in my view a bit of a lost cause.

Matt

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