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Stuck fired case during competition

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michaeljp
Stuck fired case during competition

Ive read the SSAA BR rule book and only found a reference for stuck live round, but whats the procedure during a competition for a stuck FIRED case that can easily removed with a rod from the muzzle?

Michael Huebner
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Stuck fired case during competition

Firstly a stuck case should not happen and usually means 'human error' in loading (overloaded round) and or equipment failure. ie Broken Extractor

It would depend on the situation, but in some cases it would be treated exactly same.
The rule is for safety so it will always err on the conservative side.

I would think a use of a cleaning rod down the bore would not be allowed.

Michael

TAB
Stuck fired case during competition

This situation is covered in the SSAA Rule Books under the heading of Standard Rules which is on the various web sites. It was suggested that such should be embodied in each Rule Book but the ruling body opted to put it as a Standard SSAA Rule. Suggest that the Standard Rules for SSAA be read in conjunction with the actual discipline Rule Book
TAB.

wally289
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STUCK FIRED ROUND

I have read the posts and I think some may have missed the point here michaeljp asks about a fired stuck case and I have read the rule book and the standard rule book neither of them refer to a fired round just a stuck live round totally different situation and as we all know a fired round cannot go off a second time I agree with michaeljp you should be allowed to safely remove the rifle from line remove the stuck case and come back if time allows to finish the detail just my take on the situation

Below is the rule from the standard rule book

2.5 STUCK LIVE ROUND: MANDATORY RULE
In the event of a malfunction which results in a stuck live round which cannot be simply removed from the breech end of the barrel, the firearm is to be made safe and removed from the range to a competent person for repairs. Under no circumstance is an attempt to be made to remove the round by insertion of a cleaning rod or similar object from the muzzle end of the firearm.

Wombat

michaeljp
Thank you Wally289

Thanks wally, thats exactly what i read in the rule book, "Stuck live round" i just wanted some clarification as to a "stuck FIRED case". It was a strange thing, if i re chambered that same stuck fired round it again would not extract. But if i re chambered a round that did extract and eject it would once again, extract and eject. It had me stumped. Both fired cases would measure up exactly the same. I did suspect the extractor was sticking, so just now i pulled it apart wiped it down and reinstalled it, chambered all my fired cases and it worked perfectly all cases extracted even the ones that would not extract before. So now ill load them up and go out to the range next week and see if it works as it should.
But i would still like some clarification as to the "stuck FIRED case", an empty case, no powder or projectile or live primer in the chamber. id hate to go to my first comp on Australia day and have this happen again and be out of the competition as a result.

Michael Huebner
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The issue is absolute

The issue is absolute confirmation that you do not have a live round in your action. I am afraid your say so may not be enough.

So I would not be putting a cleaning rod from the muzzle end until you have it confirmed and authorised to do so.

Instead of wasting time, leave your rifle pointing down range, then I would ask your neighbor(s) nicely if you can borrow their rifle (make sure they are finished) or ask someone else. If it is very early into time allowed, come into the reloading shed and ask if someone can loan you a rifle.
I can assure you someone will.

Then at cease fire let the range officer know and have your firearm inspected and or potentially fixed. Typically there is always a gunsmith around who can assist and or assess the rifle.

I will loan you mine if I am not shooting

Michael

TAB
Stuck round

As advised by Michael Huebner a stuck round should be treated in the manner described in SSAA Standard Rules 2.5 no matter if live or otherwise as every rifle should be treated as loaded and erring on the side of caution should be the mantra. Basically the shooter should take the rifle from the range and have a competent person attend to the problem.
You mention Australia Day matches - At this point in time I will be the RO for such matches and this is the manner such a happening will be treated under my watch.

BigStick
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Confused

Could someone please explain how to tell if a stuck round is live or fired.
Being a range officer, it would be good to know the safe way to do this at the range without sending the firearm to a gunsmith. I think all range officers should know and maybe put it in the range officers training course and the rule book.
Kim

BigStick
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Fired round

I'm guessing there is know way to tell if a round has been fired. The owner (firerer) can't be trusted to know if he fired it or not so we must assume the worst.
Our club has a slide hammer that grips the rim and pulls the case out. Does this fit the SSAA rules?
Kim

michaeljp
Thanks Michael for your offer

Thanks Michael for your offer, hopefully i fixed it today and will check it at the range tomorrow, and TAB, yes every rifle should be treated as if loaded.

chrisjon65
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Stuck round

As Michael said your firing pin could be broken or you have dud primer which happened to me.
Fortunately I jam my rounds so when I opened the bolt powder went everywhere so a safe scenario.
Your round should extract no matter what the issue if you have a bolt that matches the caliber round you are using .
A round that has been put into a chamber expecting to go off it doesn’t but cannot be extracted using the bolt is something I’ve never heard of unless it’s a catastrophic bolt failure.
And if we assume there is a possible live round in a chamber can that round fire without the primer being struck?
If so can it even be transported to a qualified gunsmith
Interesting issue

michaeljp
problem solved

The problem was a sticky extractor claw. Those familiar with the Stolle Panda bolt know the extractor slides back and forth. Mine was sticking occasionally. All rounds fired, but the extractor could not get a hold of the rim to extract the spent case from the chamber. So i replaced the spring and extractor claw, cleaned the channel the claw slides in and it worked as it should on the weekend, it extracted all the fired cases.

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